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U.S. plans $1 billion aid package for Georgia

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TBILISI, Georgia - A U.S. Navy ship loaded with humanitarian aid steamed through the Dardanelles en route to Georgia on Wednesday, as the Bush administration prepared to roll out a $1 billion economic aid package for the former Soviet republic.

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{"commentId":2741391,"authorDomain":"LEGALLYhere"}

Is there any websites that keep track on all these billion that the yahoos are giving away that we dont have ?

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    Reply#251 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 10:56 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2741921,"authorDomain":"citizengomezusa1"}

    It's aid for the energy resources to support the larger WAR PLANS as documented well by EIRNS
    Executive Alert No. 60, September 3, 2008
    A British-organized flight forward into World War III? Three weeks into
    the strategic showdown provoked by British Foreign Office tool, Georgian President
    Mikhail Saakashvili, the world has clearly moved a giant step closer to World War III
    by miscalculation. Although the British have been confronted with the fact that the
    Russians will not back down in the face of the encirclement/annihilation campaign
    which the globalized British Empire has been waging, most actively since 1989-91,
    they continue to mobilize against Russia, which they correctly understand is a primary
    roadblock to the consolidation of their empire.
    Among the most dangerous elements in the situation is the fact that, while there
    are forces in Europe, especially Italy and Germany, who are openly rejecting the confrontation
    being pushed by the British and their puppets (as shown in the result of the
    Sept. 1 EU summit), only the LaRouche movement, in the U.S. and Europe, is directly
    pointing the finger at the British manipulation of the war danger. Just as in the cases of
    World War I and II, this crisis has been manipulated by British agents, starting with the
    aggression by the Soros-controlled Saakashvili, and reinforced by forces in the United
    States who are controlled by the British outlook, specifically the de facto British agent
    Dick Cheney, and the leading beneficiary of British agent Soros's largesse in the U.S.
    election, Barack Obama.
    So far, as Lyndon and Helga LaRouche have stressed, the Russian response to
    these provocations has been measured and reasonable, although it falls short of identifying
    the British Imperial hand of which leading circles in Russia are clearly aware.
    Notable over the past week are the following statements, in which the Russians have
    cautioned the West against escalating toward the unthinkable: • In a statement issued Aug. 26, Russian Ambassador to NATO Dmitri Rogozin
    raised the parallel of the 1914 "Guns of August" to the current situation. Said Rogozin:
    "When one person takes it upon himself to become a provocateur or decides to go
    down in history in such a peculiar way as Mr. Saakashvili has done, he can force global
    systems to collide against each other; thus Gavrilo Pincip at Sarajevo made the great
    powers collide in the First World War, and thus Mikhail Saakashvili sought his laurels,
    trying to do the same. Let's hope it doesn't happen." • A spokesman for the Russian Foreign Ministry gave a press conference on Aug.
    29, warning that "a further slide of NATO towards confrontation with Russia, and
    attempts to pressure us, are unacceptable, and can lead to irreversible consequences for
    the military-political climate and stability on the continent." • Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Aug. 28 responded to provocative statements
    made by British Foreign Secretary David Miliband in Ukraine, by pointing out the
    irony of Britain attacking Russian actions to defend citizens living on its borders, "considering
    its action in the Falkland Islands, which are on the other side of the world."
    Lavrov reiterated the reality that Georgia was the aggressor starting the conflict. • Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, in a statement issued Aug. 28, raised the question
    of the role of American military advisors working with the Georgians in the
    combat in South Ossetia. • Gen. Leonid Ivashov, a senior Russian military analyst, at a news conference
    Aug. 27, noted that "the situation connected with the Georgian-Ossetian conflict could
    lead to the kind of showdown between Russia and the USA, such as there was during
    the Caribbean crisis of 1962."
    Not only is no such sober assessment coming from the U.S. side, but the decision
    of Vice President Dick Cheney to go to the Georgian region this week, portends an
    exacerbation of U.S.-Russian relations. Statements made by Obama advisers, such as
    Susan Rice and Anthony Lake, as well as Vice Presidential nominee Joe Biden, are in
    the same direction.
    In this crisis, Lyndon LaRouche has cautioned that it would be a big mistake to
    count on the present situation continuing as a "trend." The global financial breakdown
    and other unpredictable developments will provide opportunities to act to save civilization
    from thermonuclear disaster—opportunities in which the LaRouche movement
    internationally must play the key leadership role.
    SCO backs "Russia's active role" in the Caucasus. Western media have been
    working overtime to put out the propaganda line that "Russia is isolated." One blatant
    case of how the media is lying is the manipulated news reports on the meeting of
    the Shanghai Cooperation Organization which took place Aug. 27-28 in Dushanbe,
    Tajikistan.
    The Financial Times is representative of the general line reproduced in most western
    media: It took the sentence from the SCO's joint declaration which says that all
    sides should seek to resolve problems through peaceful dialogue, and pulled it completely
    out of context, as if it were a Chinese criticism aimed at Russia. In reality, the
    Chinese Ambassador in Moscow, Liu Guchang, made it quite clear during his meeting
    with Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Aleksei Borodavkin, that Beijing understands
    Russia's political and legal reasons for recognizing the independence of South Ossetia
    and Abkhazia.
    It should not be surprising that China, whose territorial integrity is likewise being
    threatened by British-inspired destabilizations in Tibet and Xinjiang, has been very
    careful in its formulations. But whoever thinks, with the same mentality as the reaction
    to the Tet Offensive, that it were possible to wage war against Russia, without
    having to contend with China, is simply blind to reality.
    The key passage in the SCO statement states that, "The member states of the SCO
    welcome the approval on 12 August 2008 in Moscow of the six principles of settling the
    conflict in South Ossetia, and support the active role of Russia in promoting peace and
    cooperation in the region." The statement was signed by the heads of state and government
    of Russia, China, Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan.
    The strategic partnership between Russia and China, as well as with the SCO, is
    not an offensive one. However, if attacked, those countries would present a combined
    military power impossible for the attacker to take on, not to mention the impossibility
    of occupying all these countries. It didn't even work in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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      Reply#252 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2743628,"authorDomain":"andreyic"}

      Not to mention that everything you will buy in any store is made in China. I WOULD LIKE BUY MADE IN USA, SHOW ME WHERE?

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        #252.1 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
        {"commentId":2744563,"authorDomain":"hosechimp"}

        I'm no economist, but since when is it a good idea to pay more for the same product? Believe me, you can't have your cake and eat it too. When US companies can compete, they will. The amount of goods coming from China is a reflection of our desire for cheap things. We save more money by buying them than we lose by not exporting more goods.

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          #252.2 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 1:14 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":2744313,"authorDomain":"hosechimp"}

          2B is a drop in the bucket. That is less than what we would have to spend supporting them, and much less than what we would lose by not helping them. Our bailout at home (which became necessesary because of corporate greed) will cost us 200B. Helping Georgia is a naturally good thing for US for several reasons: One, they can break away from the economic chokehold that Russia has imposed on them; Two, once free, they can become productive again, which enables more freedom in the markets ie. energy; Three, if the central government stays strong for long enough it will bring stability to the whole region. Russia has no need to take offence to our giving aid to Georgia. In fact, I would hope that they would do the same. On the flip side, I am also betting(hoping) that we aren't that stupid that we could justify any sort of action againt Russian forces. I also see a possibility that Russia and the US can work together since US wants to halp Georgia keep Russia out, but remember that Georgia and Russia are neighbors, and it would be best if they continued (resumed) trade and relations. The Georgians (although they HATE the Russians) will trade with them because they have no choice.

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            Reply#253 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 1:02 AM EDT
            {"commentId":2744395,"authorDomain":"hosechimp"}

            Continuing on, the best solution is an aid package, and also any reasonable form of coercion or stimulation to get Russia to resume a respectful, productive relationship with Georgia.

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              Reply#254 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 1:06 AM EDT
              {"commentId":2750762,"authorDomain":"rdbrown58"}

              Kosovo has received over 3.2 Billion in foreign aid with the U.S. providing the lions share. They are still one of the poorest countries in Europe and have a negative GDP. Mr. Clinton's war was quite expensive, wasn't it? I guess it depends on whose ox is being gored.

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                Reply#255 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2750908,"authorDomain":"rdbrown58"}

                c

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                  Reply#256 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 10:38 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":2751201,"authorDomain":"jmgiffen"}

                  Please do not, I repeat....DO NOT send another American tax dollar to anyone under any circumstances until our service men and women who have served our country and sometimes with their life, have health coverage, a roof over their heads, and employment so that they may continue to be proud of what they have done. We need to take care of our own before any money leaves this great country!

                  {"commentId":2751201,"threadId":"347361","contentId":"1820598","authorDomain":"jmgiffen"}
                    Reply#257 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 10:48 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":2755181,"authorDomain":"henry3730"}

                    As one poster pointed out. . . $1 billion works out to roughly $3 per person. . . but that does NOT take into consideration only about a third of our population are actively working and PAYING taxes. Like the pittance (if that) paid by illegals who work at slave-labor wages to begin with.

                    With the dismal state of our economy, the housing bail outs, the other drains on our money, we simply can't AFFORD dishing out money like we do. America is no longer the rich country third-world people THINK we are.

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                      Reply#258 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2764461,"authorDomain":"lfodnh"}

                      Yes, we are all damn mad and with good reason. The elite who we employ (our government) is not working for US.
                      Here we all sit at our computers having an electronic seizure. OK, we vented to each other NOW is the time to write to our representatives, flood their offices, many are coming up for reelection.
                      If America is to be #1 we and they must place her first. Look them up on US.gov or call.
                      Senate #202-224-3121
                      Congress# 202-225-3121
                      President # 202-456-1111
                      Ask to speak to the Legislative Assistant
                      It's our money. What are you waiting for? Put on your boots and give them a swift kick!

                      {"commentId":2764461,"threadId":"347361","contentId":"1820598","authorDomain":"lfodnh"}
                        Reply#259 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2769114,"authorDomain":"buscaplayas"}

                        I feel impelled to add my own maskirovka "angry amerikan" komment, so that all vill see amerikans no happy wiz Boosh, How kum our lozy prazident Boosh not gif me moneys he giffing to georgia? Amerika no spend noding on us goot amerikans. Dis won krazy prasident. Putin gut strong men, Bussh naht goot.
                        Sign me as a "Concerned Amerikan" oops, I meand Amercan..

                        For anyone who believes a lot of the "complainers" that have written to this colums are really Americans, just take a gander at their grammar and stale slang. Sounds like some of poor stuff the KGB cranked out during the Cold War

                        {"commentId":2769114,"threadId":"347361","contentId":"1820598","authorDomain":"buscaplayas"}
                          Reply#260 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 4:57 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":2769127,"authorDomain":"buscaplayas"}

                          One more thing, before these Russian provocateurs get everyone riled up and calling their congressmen, it would be nice if these Putin boys were to give us real Americans a heads up on what other countries the wannabe czar intends to subvert and invade. That way we can also tell our congressmen to not permit any aid to those, beforehand, so when it happens, Putin's on-line KGB Cheering Squad can go back to their regular jobs of snuffing out whatever remains of Russian democracy...
                          This whole disinformation barrage stinks of the Cold War..expect more. They need the kopeks to pay for their vodka rations.

                          {"commentId":2769127,"threadId":"347361","contentId":"1820598","authorDomain":"buscaplayas"}
                            Reply#261 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 5:03 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":2825370,"authorDomain":"WakeUpCall"}

                            Okay, I wrote my congressman on this subject, gave him my opinion on the matter as well as the link to this discussion, and this was his reply:

                            Thank you for contacting me to express your opinion regarding United States foreign aid.

                            I believe that the United States is committing too much of its GDP to foreign aid. During a time of recession and war, I believe our nation's resource are better focused on stimulating the domestic economy and contributing to the war effort. Though there are many areas of the world where US foreign aid makes a difference and furthers our national interest, we need to review our current aid programs to ensure our resources go where they are most needed, whether at home or abroad.

                            I believe that foreign aid is most effective when it is specifically focused and directed to where it can have the most impact. I am working to build deep, clean wells in impoverished rural villages where there is no drinking water in order to help the approximately 1.1 billion people who lack access to clean water. Clean water is the foundation for all developmental programs and a necessary first step in our country's fight to end global poverty and hunger, promote education and gender equality, reduce worldwide conflict, and to improve our country's international image. As Congress debates the federal budget, I will keep your thoughts in mind.

                            Thank you for entrusting me to represent you in the United States Congress. Please visit my website at www.culberson.house.gov.

                            Sincerely, John Culberson
                            Member of Congress

                            I think he may have failed to accurately interpret my feelings. I don't want a single penny going anywhere except here. Again, maybe if EVERY member of Congress received a similar letter, they might have a better understanding of how the people they represent in Congress feel about the issue. They have to know how we feel before they can represent us.

                            Let's not just complain on message boards. Let's complain to the people who represent us in Congress. Basically, let's all do our part, and not just @!$%# about the results. If they don't know how we feel, how can the accurately represent us? They might think that we would be more upset by not sending money. How are they supposed to know if we don't tell them?

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                              Reply#262 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 5:37 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2830429,"authorDomain":"ShawnC30"}

                              thank you for putting this up. Now everyone needs to send a few e-mails telling them that the money needs to stay here.

                              {"commentId":2830429,"threadId":"347361","contentId":"1820598","authorDomain":"ShawnC30"}
                                Reply#263 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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